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	<title>Comments on: Fasthosts pull a &#8216;Gordon&#8217; with new webmail</title>
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	<description>Fed up with fasthosts?  Rant about it here. If your subject isn't covered, mention it in a comment and I'll create a new thread so you can vent your frustrations, and let everyone know about it.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://no2fasthosts.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/fasthosts-pull-a-gordon-with-new-webmail/#comment-442</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any webmail is better than none at all, so far i gather FH are having a few problems with Webmail at the current time [10:12am GMT  26th Aug 2009] as it has the error &quot;link not found&quot;. Bad stuff for the people out there that use it for work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any webmail is better than none at all, so far i gather FH are having a few problems with Webmail at the current time [10:12am GMT  26th Aug 2009] as it has the error &#8220;link not found&#8221;. Bad stuff for the people out there that use it for work?</p>
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		<title>By: no2fasthosts</title>
		<link>http://no2fasthosts.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/fasthosts-pull-a-gordon-with-new-webmail/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>no2fasthosts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to Norman:

Open Source WebMail: http://atmail.org

Incoming spam filters are rudimentary.  We advise our users to run their own spam filters locally.  You have some basic control over the filtering, but it is pretty much a default out of the box installation of a basic product that is rarely maintained.

That&#039;s not to say that the product FH use is not a good one, but it&#039;s the *way* it&#039;s used that is exasperating.  It&#039;s a basic nod to spam filtering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to Norman:</p>
<p>Open Source WebMail: <a href="http://atmail.org" rel="nofollow">http://atmail.org</a></p>
<p>Incoming spam filters are rudimentary.  We advise our users to run their own spam filters locally.  You have some basic control over the filtering, but it is pretty much a default out of the box installation of a basic product that is rarely maintained.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that the product FH use is not a good one, but it&#8217;s the *way* it&#8217;s used that is exasperating.  It&#8217;s a basic nod to spam filtering.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
		<link>http://no2fasthosts.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/fasthosts-pull-a-gordon-with-new-webmail/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you shed a light on which open-source package the FH webmail is based on?

Also, what is the situation with incoming spam emails at FH? Do customers see a lot of spam in their mailboxes or is spam filtered?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you shed a light on which open-source package the FH webmail is based on?</p>
<p>Also, what is the situation with incoming spam emails at FH? Do customers see a lot of spam in their mailboxes or is spam filtered?</p>
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		<title>By: dante</title>
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		<dc:creator>dante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only God can forgive the wickedness, cruelty and extortion I have experienced from fasthosts! I hosted a site with them, only to find out that the email was crappy. I then decided to purchase their exchange email. Unfortunately i missed one of my monthly payments. Hardly could I believe it when I found out that fasthosts had not only disabled my email, they also took my website down till I settled the 9pounds email bill! The most annoying part of it all is that I had to pay 20pounds as a punishment for not paying the 9pounds early. Anyone doing business with fasthosts is looking for real trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only God can forgive the wickedness, cruelty and extortion I have experienced from fasthosts! I hosted a site with them, only to find out that the email was crappy. I then decided to purchase their exchange email. Unfortunately i missed one of my monthly payments. Hardly could I believe it when I found out that fasthosts had not only disabled my email, they also took my website down till I settled the 9pounds email bill! The most annoying part of it all is that I had to pay 20pounds as a punishment for not paying the 9pounds early. Anyone doing business with fasthosts is looking for real trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested Party</title>
		<link>http://no2fasthosts.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/fasthosts-pull-a-gordon-with-new-webmail/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A new webmail client has been a long time coming for FH. The old one was a mess and certainly wasn&#039;t &#039;business class&#039; as they claim. Free webmail was in some cases better than that FH was offering. Could you provide a link to the beta? 

Interested party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new webmail client has been a long time coming for FH. The old one was a mess and certainly wasn&#8217;t &#8216;business class&#8217; as they claim. Free webmail was in some cases better than that FH was offering. Could you provide a link to the beta? </p>
<p>Interested party.</p>
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		<title>By: no2fasthosts</title>
		<link>http://no2fasthosts.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/fasthosts-pull-a-gordon-with-new-webmail/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>no2fasthosts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mr Shemming,

Interestingly, the screenshot shown in this post was taken after logging into the service last night.  For some strange reason (can&#039;t think why), when I logged into the same account this evening, the Fasthosts logo had been removed and replaced with the generic logo seen today.  Funny that!

Also, you mention the Mailbox quota appearing on the webmail front page?  I hold my hands up to this - the quota only appears when there is something in the folders.  This is a feature of the software itself, and nothing to do with Fasthosts.

Sent Items.  You&#039;re taking an interesting standpoint here if you really do have clients hosted on FH.  Between myself and my colleagues, we have had more than 1000 email accounts hosted on FH, and of that 1000, more than half have complained bitterly that this feature was missing.  Of those who complained, most eventually moved away to other hosts who considered their sent email to be more important than the spam they recieve.

Sure Heart Internet has problems too, but we are not here to criticise Heart or any other host.  This forum is a rage against the FH machine.  As it happens, we have a reseller account with Heart (among others), and the Linux/Open Source platform is what makes infinitely better than Fasthosts.  If you think that makes it &#039;packed with security exploits&#039;, you should realise that each and every one of those packages is also hosted on Fasthosts by the customers themselves.

I&#039;m not sure what you mean by a &#039;Full service with Windows&#039;...?  Windows is infinitely less suited as an internet server than any flavour of *nix, and considerably less secure.  The only reason FH boast Windows as their flagship platform is that they can rack a Windows server cheaper than they can Linux.

Does Heart do Exchange - no, and I hope they never do.  But if you want Exchange, why would you go to Fasthosts?  For £1.50 less than Fasthosts price you can host a fully-featured Exchange account, with full access to the GAL, integrated Sharepoint and 1GB of space, which is more than enough for Exchange.

And the cost model breaks down even quicker when you realise that if you need more than 10 Fasthost echange mailboxes  (£1200pa), you may as well buy an entry level SBBS server from Dell and host it on a Home Broadband connection.  This will pay for itself within 2 years and give you far more features/flexibity.  Sure, you have to look after it, but you&#039;re a skilled reseller right?

Why do we still have Fasthosts accounts?  Who says we do, numpty.  We have *access* to Fasthosts standard and reseller accounts, because we have to maintain these on behalf of our customers.  We haven&#039;t owned a FH account on our own book for quite some time..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mr Shemming,</p>
<p>Interestingly, the screenshot shown in this post was taken after logging into the service last night.  For some strange reason (can&#8217;t think why), when I logged into the same account this evening, the Fasthosts logo had been removed and replaced with the generic logo seen today.  Funny that!</p>
<p>Also, you mention the Mailbox quota appearing on the webmail front page?  I hold my hands up to this &#8211; the quota only appears when there is something in the folders.  This is a feature of the software itself, and nothing to do with Fasthosts.</p>
<p>Sent Items.  You&#8217;re taking an interesting standpoint here if you really do have clients hosted on FH.  Between myself and my colleagues, we have had more than 1000 email accounts hosted on FH, and of that 1000, more than half have complained bitterly that this feature was missing.  Of those who complained, most eventually moved away to other hosts who considered their sent email to be more important than the spam they recieve.</p>
<p>Sure Heart Internet has problems too, but we are not here to criticise Heart or any other host.  This forum is a rage against the FH machine.  As it happens, we have a reseller account with Heart (among others), and the Linux/Open Source platform is what makes infinitely better than Fasthosts.  If you think that makes it &#8216;packed with security exploits&#8217;, you should realise that each and every one of those packages is also hosted on Fasthosts by the customers themselves.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by a &#8216;Full service with Windows&#8217;&#8230;?  Windows is infinitely less suited as an internet server than any flavour of *nix, and considerably less secure.  The only reason FH boast Windows as their flagship platform is that they can rack a Windows server cheaper than they can Linux.</p>
<p>Does Heart do Exchange &#8211; no, and I hope they never do.  But if you want Exchange, why would you go to Fasthosts?  For £1.50 less than Fasthosts price you can host a fully-featured Exchange account, with full access to the GAL, integrated Sharepoint and 1GB of space, which is more than enough for Exchange.</p>
<p>And the cost model breaks down even quicker when you realise that if you need more than 10 Fasthost echange mailboxes  (£1200pa), you may as well buy an entry level SBBS server from Dell and host it on a Home Broadband connection.  This will pay for itself within 2 years and give you far more features/flexibity.  Sure, you have to look after it, but you&#8217;re a skilled reseller right?</p>
<p>Why do we still have Fasthosts accounts?  Who says we do, numpty.  We have *access* to Fasthosts standard and reseller accounts, because we have to maintain these on behalf of our customers.  We haven&#8217;t owned a FH account on our own book for quite some time..</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Shemming</title>
		<link>http://no2fasthosts.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/fasthosts-pull-a-gordon-with-new-webmail/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Shemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No response needed by email - but you might want to consider correcting your post which I stumbled on through Google alerts for Fasthosts (always a good read).

Did you spend much time looking at the new Webmail Beta before writing this post? About this matter specifically, you&#039;re giving FH a rough ride without checking your facts.

You don&#039;t have to pay to remove FH branding - just access it using any domain on your reseller account and you&#039;ll get an unbranded version, or branded if you&#039;ve chosen to go the full hog. This is made perfectly clear. If I remember rightly from when I was choosing a web host for multi-domains, Heart&#039;s implementation lets you brand the login page only.

Mailbox quota usage is displayed on the Start page once you&#039;ve logged in - so your comments about FH not knowing how to make it work are also incorrect.

Sent mail - okay so it&#039;s been a long time coming, but it&#039;s here now so let&#039;s all breathe a sigh of relief and tell our clients.

Life&#039;s not all rosy at Heart Internet by the sounds of things. Only this week they scrambled passwords and then emailed new passwords to the wrong customers, or something like that. Check The Register for more details. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/24/heart_internet_password_gaffe/

Heart only offer Linux with free opensource features that are packed with known security exploits. FH at least offer a full service with Windows. Where&#039;s the Hosted Exchange from Heart? Nope, just basic mail.

And of course the million dollar question... Why oh why oh do you still have an account with FH if you&#039;re so uptight about their service? It&#039;s not that difficult to move, and arguably would have been quicker than putting this blog together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No response needed by email &#8211; but you might want to consider correcting your post which I stumbled on through Google alerts for Fasthosts (always a good read).</p>
<p>Did you spend much time looking at the new Webmail Beta before writing this post? About this matter specifically, you&#8217;re giving FH a rough ride without checking your facts.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to pay to remove FH branding &#8211; just access it using any domain on your reseller account and you&#8217;ll get an unbranded version, or branded if you&#8217;ve chosen to go the full hog. This is made perfectly clear. If I remember rightly from when I was choosing a web host for multi-domains, Heart&#8217;s implementation lets you brand the login page only.</p>
<p>Mailbox quota usage is displayed on the Start page once you&#8217;ve logged in &#8211; so your comments about FH not knowing how to make it work are also incorrect.</p>
<p>Sent mail &#8211; okay so it&#8217;s been a long time coming, but it&#8217;s here now so let&#8217;s all breathe a sigh of relief and tell our clients.</p>
<p>Life&#8217;s not all rosy at Heart Internet by the sounds of things. Only this week they scrambled passwords and then emailed new passwords to the wrong customers, or something like that. Check The Register for more details. <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/24/heart_internet_password_gaffe/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/24/heart_internet_password_gaffe/</a></p>
<p>Heart only offer Linux with free opensource features that are packed with known security exploits. FH at least offer a full service with Windows. Where&#8217;s the Hosted Exchange from Heart? Nope, just basic mail.</p>
<p>And of course the million dollar question&#8230; Why oh why oh do you still have an account with FH if you&#8217;re so uptight about their service? It&#8217;s not that difficult to move, and arguably would have been quicker than putting this blog together.</p>
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